tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post6543353084644101495..comments2024-03-26T07:57:53.601+00:00Comments on Miranda Threlfall-Holmes: Sex and the bishopsMirandahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09436701820363040984noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-90934866601537371412018-08-08T19:16:30.901+01:002018-08-08T19:16:30.901+01:00Dread and outrage bother the condition. Besides, t...Dread and outrage bother the condition. Besides, there is a component of extraordinary disgrace for both someone who is addicted and sexual mutually dependent connected to sexual fixation, particularly if his interests include a question, cross-dressing, strength and accommodation or youngsters.<a href="https://yedka.com//" rel="nofollow">หนังโป๊</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07758297713840228366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-7645577853061106132017-02-10T20:18:39.193+00:002017-02-10T20:18:39.193+00:00Brilliant Miranda - so important that we create th...Brilliant Miranda - so important that we create the space where love is noticed before all else. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14865940351947265416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-6995445753513163872017-02-06T20:00:28.012+00:002017-02-06T20:00:28.012+00:00Show some leadership Bishops, Strike her off! In m...Show some leadership Bishops, Strike her off! In my profession if I wrote something so fundamentally against my code of practice I would be struck of and not allowed to practice again. <br />This article is a gross abuse of the bible. <br />Lord have mercy upon us all. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-61247578603414897592017-02-06T11:55:37.088+00:002017-02-06T11:55:37.088+00:00I'm so sorry you've had this experience. C...I'm so sorry you've had this experience. Can I recommend that you look out for Inclusive Church, which would help you find a place of worship where you would be welcome? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-78443980331880189612017-02-06T11:53:14.396+00:002017-02-06T11:53:14.396+00:00Several of the members of the house of bishops are...Several of the members of the house of bishops are gay, they are just not able to be out - precisely because of the tangle the church is in about same sex relationships. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-65980983861071496462017-02-02T17:25:34.648+00:002017-02-02T17:25:34.648+00:00Healthy, loving non-married relationships are not ...Healthy, loving non-married relationships are not "mire." Healthy, loving non-heterosexual relationships are not "mire." We don't have to approve everyone's life choices - but we understand more about human nature and human sexuality than we used to, and the church needs to reflect that by ceasing to condemn people for life choices that are not sinful. An important point made in the article, one which you seem to have missed, is that by continuing to pick on LGBTQIA&c. people and relationships, we make it impossible to criticize the choices that matter. In other words, you are holding us back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-64808344014248954892017-01-31T14:57:59.949+00:002017-01-31T14:57:59.949+00:00This is fantastic, thank you so much for writing. ...This is fantastic, thank you so much for writing. It gives me hope that as a semi-lapsed-not-entirely-sure Anglican there is a place for the questions I have had about how Christians can accept one another as they are. I am also, like you, on the cis-het privileged side of things, and admire the way you can talk about using that privilege to do some good. I am scared of blundering, but am heartened that it can be done without the ineptitude of which I am afraid in myself. Thank you, again, for writing :)Charlottenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-39589543403032620992017-01-30T16:24:36.065+00:002017-01-30T16:24:36.065+00:00Wow. What a brilliant post! And I never heard abou...Wow. What a brilliant post! And I never heard about the Deceased Wife's Sister Bill -- wish I had while Canada was having its tussle on same sex blessings/marriage.Neale Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08059863205054712839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-27406680420516201672017-01-30T09:18:19.133+00:002017-01-30T09:18:19.133+00:00George, that's such a sad post. I think there ...George, that's such a sad post. I think there are a lot of ppl who need basic training around sexuality (which I'm happy to do if churches want.....part of my work) I haven't, and can't bear to set foot in reg churches. I'm now part of very small grp, all of us refugees from mainstream churches, in Sheffield. And totally unapologetically wholeheartedly inclusive. <br />The Sunday school comment would have done me in too. Not surprised you haven't been back since. HugsBooMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568993446552878806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-81598143510870681192017-01-30T00:08:32.430+00:002017-01-30T00:08:32.430+00:00There seems to be a big idea still that I can chan...There seems to be a big idea still that I can change my sexuality, that I choose to be a gay man and therefore commit that sin of choosing to be gay. I can't. Trust me I've tried. I am gay, it is part of who i am but it isnt something i can control. Do you really think people choose to be prejudiced against?<br /><br />Therefore unless God is being purely evil in creating people who he hates, he isnt evil so he must still love me and therefore my sexuality has nothing to do with my relationship with God. I am losing my faith because of a lack of understanding from the churches in this country. Not having a place to worship is slowly pulling me away from a Christian life. I was recently told by a church that I was welcome to worship there as they were inclusive of all people but I couldn't take on a role in worship and especially not Sunday school... this makes me feel completely second class and unwelcome in the church. I feel this to be unchristian too - is that the way Jesus's would have reacted? The Sunday school comment was all too much and I haven't been back since (as a teacher for over 10 years I have more experience and skills than any of the current leaders, but my gifts were unwanted)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07336780946638139066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-91305727288331069532017-01-29T23:24:51.115+00:002017-01-29T23:24:51.115+00:00wise response...wise response...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14643001371757723674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-34775292537327320632017-01-29T23:19:16.861+00:002017-01-29T23:19:16.861+00:00Nailed it. Good job.Nailed it. Good job.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14643001371757723674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-62201174143644877232017-01-29T21:39:51.340+00:002017-01-29T21:39:51.340+00:00'and so they are not doing their theology from...'and so they are not doing their theology from a lived standpoint, taking lived experience into consideration'.<br />Claire, I sympathise with your dilemma. I don't know how I would cope with it. But 'lived experience', as I see it, should never override what the Bible says. We are always back to this disagreement. I find the Bible's case that same-sex sexual activity is not acceptable to God to be convincing, as you seem to partly recognise by your 'residual feelings'.<br />Phil AlmondPhilip Almondnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-19385753876068729592017-01-29T21:33:45.693+00:002017-01-29T21:33:45.693+00:00We are called to follow Jesus. End of. We are in t...We are called to follow Jesus. End of. We are in the age of the Spirit, and she is breathing new life. BooMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568993446552878806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-16448101925738788092017-01-29T21:19:11.540+00:002017-01-29T21:19:11.540+00:00The Holy Spirit does not contradict Himself. To me...The Holy Spirit does not contradict Himself. To me the Bible case that same-sex sexual activity is not acceptable to God is convincing. God promises to forgive all who submit to Christ in repentance, faith, love, obedience and fear - whoever they are and whatever they have done. Once forgiven we are all called to obey God and Christ as they are revealed to us in the Bible.<br />Phil AlmondPhilip Almondnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-55148695067748559622017-01-29T20:48:42.251+00:002017-01-29T20:48:42.251+00:00Anonymous, I like your point, and there exciting s...Anonymous, I like your point, and there exciting spiritfilled things going on to be sure. We are seeing that in our groupBooMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568993446552878806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-38104162483264567872017-01-29T20:47:13.707+00:002017-01-29T20:47:13.707+00:00My comment was aimed at Phil AlmondMy comment was aimed at Phil AlmondBooMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568993446552878806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-42863482017113792262017-01-29T19:58:31.097+00:002017-01-29T19:58:31.097+00:00The point I was making in my comment about Acts 10...The point I was making in my comment about Acts 10, is that the Holy Spirit clearly allows for dynamic change. That dynamism is one of the most exciting things about our faith. We should therefore draw back from condemning people whom God is clearly blessing now and instead watch for the signs of God bringing about change in the world in line with the gospel of love.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-70318132331234802962017-01-29T19:07:12.382+00:002017-01-29T19:07:12.382+00:00No it does not. However the views that you espouse...No it does not. However the views that you espouse are exactly why so many of us avoid church. Thankfully, we are accepted and loved unconditionally by God, who is pretty thrilled we are getting married. And the Christian friends who we are in fellowship with are wholehearted supporters and allies. BooMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568993446552878806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-59582079559120338152017-01-29T16:46:14.530+00:002017-01-29T16:46:14.530+00:00Thank you for your numbered points, which I found ...Thank you for your numbered points, which I found v helpful. From the conservatives' point of view, saying the bible has multiple pictures of marriage, whilst technically being true, would be subsumed in their eyes by Jesus saying "for this reason a man will leave his mother and father and be united with his wife", which for them is paradigmatic...(after Genesis)...<br />Which shows that the whole debate is really about hermeneutics and I really wish Christians had more chance to pore over this together. Until proper exegesis is done, conservatives are always going to say "it's wrong cos the bible says it's wrong", and that's a complete end to the discussion.<br />However am pretty sure that many of my conservative friends who take the above standpoint genuinely have no ongoing contact with Christians who are LGBTI (well, not partnered ones, anyway) and so they are not doing their theology from a lived standpoint, taking lived experience into consideration. Not one of the Bishops who put the report together, was LBGTI, I understand...<br />For me, I have come late to "inclusivity", due to an evangelical background, but it's because as a priest I just cannot see how I would be able to offer adequate pastoral care to LGBTI couples if I genuinely thought that there was 'something wrong' with their being partnered. The pastoral knots one would have to tie oneself up in are simply too ridiculous. So I would want to offer a no holds barred welcome. A welcome which is not a wholehearted welcome to them as a couple, is not a welcome at all.<br />I still read 'the texts' with some residual feelings of discomfort though...Claire Alcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14231267501917426061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-61354223458756486702017-01-29T16:45:20.958+00:002017-01-29T16:45:20.958+00:00This is a flawed argument. Peter's vision is r...This is a flawed argument. Peter's vision is recorded in the Bible and has the authority of the Bible. The arguments for acceptance of same-sex are not in the Bible. On the contrary the Bible rules out acceptance of same-sex.<br />Phil AlmondPhilip Almondnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-68743433788698821272017-01-29T15:53:19.064+00:002017-01-29T15:53:19.064+00:00I don't think God gives 2 figs about who's...I don't think God gives 2 figs about who's having sex with who. So long as it's legal, consenting and non exploitative. What did Jesus say about being gay? Nothing. He had plenty to say about how ppl treat each other tho.BooMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568993446552878806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-26037063116601410902017-01-29T15:49:30.841+00:002017-01-29T15:49:30.841+00:00Sexual practices are very diverse amongst every co...Sexual practices are very diverse amongst every couple, whatever their sexual orientation. Maybe if Christians got on with being distinctly different, you know, feed the poor, house the homeless, take in strangers etc etc, then more ppl would think the church had something of interest worth exploring. However, all the church seems to be interested in is what goes on in other people's bedrooms. Perhaps there is some jealousy that humans might be having amazing passionate sex, and not feel guilty about it? BooMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568993446552878806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-78531636703264963462017-01-29T15:46:31.169+00:002017-01-29T15:46:31.169+00:00What about Acts 10 - one of the best chapters in t...What about Acts 10 - one of the best chapters in the Bible? The Holy Spirit sends a dream to Peter and a voice says 'what God has made clean, you must not call profane.'<br /><br />I think people today are dreaming Peter's dream and the voice is speaking again.<br /><br />The Jerusalem Christians took time to accept the change. But they did. And so will the Church. May the Church wake up to the voice of the Holy Spirit, and quickly, before more people are hurt!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-9383504028077038782017-01-29T15:43:54.209+00:002017-01-29T15:43:54.209+00:00Your sexuality is not a choice. Your sexuality is not a choice. BooMShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12568993446552878806noreply@blogger.com