tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post7099678268686536586..comments2024-03-26T07:57:53.601+00:00Comments on Miranda Threlfall-Holmes: Women Bishops: Take Two...Mirandahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09436701820363040984noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-18641238132777798692013-11-14T12:32:08.990+00:002013-11-14T12:32:08.990+00:00Thank you Miranda for providing us with this helpf...Thank you Miranda for providing us with this helpful summary, and prayers that next weeks General Synod will be full of the generosity of spirit that you have shown in your balanced summary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-63523602823251182412013-11-03T21:18:56.479+00:002013-11-03T21:18:56.479+00:00Thank Rebecca for your comment! In response to Eri...Thank Rebecca for your comment! In response to Erika - I wouldn't say that those who can't accept women's ministry are disobeying the will of God but to a certain degree we have to discern what we believe to right or wrong.<br /><br />We will never get it right and we might in fact be wrong but we are still one in Jesus Christ! Throughout the history of Church, not everyone would have agreed with each others on issues of Doctrine and etc but if the Church took the position of not ordaining those that they believe don't believe in all that they believe - We would have limited priests<br /><br />Let us pray for peace, common understanding and all those discerning vocations regardless of their beliefs/doctrinal positionsChuchu Nwaguhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029587380998971492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-30636328107567457312013-11-03T16:46:07.285+00:002013-11-03T16:46:07.285+00:00Its a shame we don't take that approach to mor...Its a shame we don't take that approach to more aspects of church doctrine. I met ordinands in theological college who didn't even believe in the resurrection. If we wanted to establish some sort of litmus test for Church of England clergy then I think surely creedal Christianity would be a better place to start?Tom Lilleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-33737730954879819802013-11-03T16:07:17.429+00:002013-11-03T16:07:17.429+00:00As a woman putting myself forward for ordination I...As a woman putting myself forward for ordination I firmly agree with Chuchu. The same God that gives women vocations to priesthood continues to call traditionalist and conservative men too, and the Church must continue to affirm that vocation. The vast quantity of traditionalist men I know going forward for ordination are most definitely called, and will make phenomenal priests who will serve the Church faithfully and bring a plethora of gifts. Not only that, but the generosity and kindness they have shown to me is beyond compare. And as God is clearly calling them, just as he is clearly calling women, the Church must continue to recognise this. We might not understand what God is doing with this, but nobody said the right way would be easy, and it is absolutely not our place to get in the way of it just because it is uncomfortable. The C of E is the only branch of the church with such a broad spectrum of theology and is the only branch of the Church with true freedom of exploration and acceptance - it would be a real step backwards to lose that. Rebeccahttp://www.twitter.com/Feebitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-44940941829277141202013-11-02T16:29:39.047+00:002013-11-02T16:29:39.047+00:00Chuchu, I agree that traditionalists should be giv...Chuchu, I agree that traditionalists should be given provisions, as does Miranda who has clearly said that it is part of the necessary compromise. All she said is that it is a compromise she finds very hard. Some anonymous person asked why it is hard and I gave my own explanation.<br />You can disagree with it, but it is still my explanation.<br />If God wants women to be priests, then it is going against his will to deny women the priesthood. And if the church has discerned that God wants women to be priests, then it is very very gracious of that church to continue to accommodate people who go against God's will, but it is a major compromise.<br /><br />I am happy to accommodate you in the church but I reserve the right to believe that you are desperately wrong.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-71652736678442644792013-11-02T06:28:38.086+00:002013-11-02T06:28:38.086+00:00Chuchu,
This is "the Tolerant are Intoleran...Chuchu, <br /><br />This is "the Tolerant are Intolerant" <i>canard</i>.<br /><br />Refusing to ordain due to one's God-given <i>gender</i>, is qualitatively different than refusing to ordain due to one's chosen, intolerant <i>opinion</i>.<br /><br />A woman can't change her gender (well, not her sex chromosomes, anyway). A man who holds that women can't be ordained, and (this is key) announces he will ACT on those beliefs, CAN change.<br /><br />Jesus spoke of the "house divided against itself", and then Abraham Lincoln expounded on that, that a country CANNOT be both for AND against slavery. Similarly, a church cannot be both for AND against ordination equality.JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-10104574900754740312013-11-02T00:01:29.801+00:002013-11-02T00:01:29.801+00:00No it wouldn't be wrong because it is the same...No it wouldn't be wrong because it is the same God who calls those men to the Priesthood! <br /><br />We all in conscience have to decided through the free will that have, whether we can believe in certain issues and for some in conscience they can't<br /><br />The level of Charity from some of my brethren is unbelievable, anyone who holds such convictions needs to re-examine their conscience Chuchu Nwaguhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17029587380998971492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-47974198319771267722013-11-01T10:14:16.957+00:002013-11-01T10:14:16.957+00:00Anonymous, because your assumption that women'...Anonymous, because your assumption that women's ordination is nothing but a secular "PC" movement is wrong.<br />If your church has discerned that God actively calls women to be priests and bishops it would be wrong to continue to ordain people who oppose this (his!) will.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5557921162362661008.post-35019956105528455582013-10-29T15:51:10.462+00:002013-10-29T15:51:10.462+00:00Why is it a problem that those who are opposed to ...Why is it a problem that those who are opposed to this are allowed to be ordained? Throughout Church history, and Scripture, this has always been the case until the last few PC years. Why do some think that the status quo is so wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com